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Alfresco 3.1 Release

samuel_penn

Does anyone know when Alfresco 3.1 Enterprise will be released?

Also, when is the next version of Labs (3.1?) due to be released?

Thanks,
Sam.

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mikeh

3.1E should be imminent - just going through the final release stages.

Most of the code is now merged to HEAD, but we're also adding the new Forms Service (as well as other new pieces) to Labs, so that will be released around the middle of April.

Thanks,
Mike

samuel_penn

Admittedly, I took 'imminent' to mean later that day, so was waiting to say that I'd downloaded it before replying.

I assume things are taking longer than expected. Any word on when it may be available?

Thanks,
Sam.

deas0815

Hallo everybody,

I'm wondering what status/version the initial 3.1 labs version well have.

Will it be 3.1Stable or will 3.1 iterate versions like 3.0 did, starting with 3.1a ?

Maybe I missed something, but I was a little confused with 3.0 versioning. I was always wondering
whether 3.0{a,b,c,d} was supposed to be stable, beta or alpha.

best regards
Andreas

chicks

Would it be possible to release Labs 3.1 with just the fixes (primarily the dot in user name major showstopper) that were included in 3.1 enterprise? I'd hate to install a version similar to 2.9, which had features that precluded it from being upgraded to 3.0. Don't want to repeat that experience…

mrogers

Pretty much all of the 3.1 code and fixes are already on Head.

I'm not aware that anyone has agreed what the official labels for the Labs releases will be but the plan is that there will soon be another preview release of labs (which may have the confusing title of Labs 3 E :? .) Then there will be a more complete version (Labs 3 F ?) which should be the next stable release.

fselendic

Aghhhhhh

OK, guys, now that you are slowly moving towards free core/fee extensions model, can we expect that you'll put some sense in naming scheme for ALL of your products?

Why, in God's name, can't next stable Labs version have a name "Alfresco Community(Network, Labs, whatever) 3.2"? And then be followed in one or two months by "Alfresco Enterprise 3.2", that has a few more bug fixes and addons that you think are fair to be included in Enterprise version (and paid for)?

You can then have nightly builds, you can mark some of those Alpha, Beta, RC, so that we all know what's exactly going on, instead of this mess, 3.0, 3.0c, 3.0stable, 3.0d, e, f, 3.0 enterprise, 3.1 enterprise, 3.2 enterprise, nobody (and I think not even you) can say what maps to what.

And, when you fully finish transition to free core/fee extensions, it would be great to move to one core codebase. You'll still have warranty, indemnification, support priority, certified partners and extensions on, paid for, Enterprise side, and Labs/community users will know what they are getting (as opposed to what they could be getting if they cash out).

Oh, yeah, and now that there actually are some things in Enterprise that aren't in Labs, a small, simple list with differences would be great.

chicks

Pretty much all of the 3.1 code and fixes are already on Head.

Great, what the heck is "Head"?

Why not just update the current download version of Labs to 3.1 to keep it in sync with Enterprise? There's a major, show-stopping bug in Share 3.0 "final" having to do with dotted usernames (doesn't everyone use dotted usernames?) that was for some reason quickly rolled into the current Enterprise download, but not into the Labs download. Isn't Labs supposed to be kept a step or two ahead of Enterprise?

samuel_penn

That 'dots in user names' bug was in 2.2 for WCM, and fixed in SP1 or 2. We've 'only' had one customer hit by it, so don't aren't that common, but they shouldn't have been unexpected.

Every version of Community/Labs after 2.1 has had a show stopper bug in WCM of one form or another. I'm hoping that WCM actually works in the next stable Labs.

Head is the latest version in subversion source code control - it should also make its way into the nightly builds. As such, it can be unstable and I wouldn't use it for production, so it's probably not useful.

Sam.

mikeh

Great, what the heck is "Head"?

HEAD is the commonly-used term for "latest source code" - i.e. what you get when you do an "svn checkout" and build it locally, which is how a lot of people like to work.

Why not just update the current download version of Labs to 3.1 to keep it in sync with Enterprise? There's a major, show-stopping bug in Share 3.0 "final" having to do with dotted usernames (doesn't everyone use dotted usernames?) that was for some reason quickly rolled into the current Enterprise download, but not into the Labs download. Isn't Labs supposed to be kept a step or two ahead of Enterprise?

There's quite a lot of admin overhead around updating the "official" download version. People expect release notes, bug fix reports, etc. etc.

Current download versions are available from here: http://dev.alfresco.com/downloads/nightly/dist/ The server is updated when the full set of unit tests all pass, hence it's not really "nightly" due to transient problems.

Mike

mrogers

the vexed issue of version labels has been discussed, brains have been engaged and I'm happy to report the label of the next release will not be "Labs 3 E".

The name for the community releases is going back to being based on the major.minor number rather than letter.
So, the next community release will be Labs 3.2 and the next preview drop will be Labs 3.2 Preview.

samuel_penn

Yay! And there was much rejoicing 🙂

I don't suppose there's also a plan to get rid of the 'Service Pack' designation as well, and just use major.minor.patch consistently? 🙂

Sam (who still hasn't forgiven Sun for their stupid version numbering).

fselendic

Thanks a lot, guys!

Now just compile a small list of differences between Labs and Enterprise, and you are back on track.

mikeh

Now just compile a small list of differences between Labs and Enterprise, and you are back on track.

It's not a list as such, but you can get an idea of the differences from John Newton's blog: http://newton.typepad.com/

Basically, you won't get things like monitoring and support for proprietary databases in Labs (e.g. MS SQL Server, Oracle).

Mike

fselendic

Now just compile a small list of differences between Labs and Enterprise, and you are back on track.
It's not a list as such, but you can get an idea of the differences from John Newton's blog: http://newton.typepad.com/

Basically, you won't get things like monitoring and support for proprietary databases in Labs (e.g. MS SQL Server, Oracle).

Mike

Yeah, I know, I read that blog.
However, I'm just pushing you (or your marketing department) a little (see how nice it worked with versioning scheme)

Basically, it would be nice to have more formal, official list of differences, with examples of Enterprise functionality and its benefits. Especially because those will grow, now that you have found a business model that you'll probably stick with for some time (free core/fee extensions). With core as good as Labs is, you will have to work a little to convince people that they really really need Enterprise.

Also, please try to make differences clearly seen from roadmap, at least for the upcoming version. Is 3.2 really coming without any Enterprise-only features?

And, if this new model proves to be satisfactory, sustainable (which I think and hope it will, I really like where this is heading), consider moving to one core codebase for 4.0.

jpbarba

Hi,
what is the diference between Alfresco Labs 3 and Alfresco Enterprise 3. I supossed that the only difference was a licence issue but I have detected that:
- Alfresco Labs 3 presents problems with CIFS anf Enterprise doesn't.
- Alfresco Labs 3 doesn't stop wich alf_stop.sh command completly. With a 'ps aux | grep java' a process is in background. With Enterprise it doesn't happen.
Could someone explain that?

mrogers

You need to look at JIRA to find individual bug fix status. Your issues are just one of release management (e.g. which release has which features)

The Enterprise releases have more testing and more bug fixing effort from Alfresco.

One of the tasks in 3.1 was the engineering required to support Enterprise Only features.

Going forward there will be more "Enterprise Only Features" at the moment the list of differences is small but includes
- support for non open source databases
- additional system monitoring.

junderwood

Hey any news on the 3.1 labs release? It's the middle of April

mrogers

"Labs 3.2 Preview" is on its way. It was cut last week and is going through the release process.

Labs 3.1 was Labs 3D / Stable / Final whatever it was called. I'm very glad we're getting some sanity back in version naming.

junderwood

Ok thanks for the reply, looking forward to it.

mikeh

https://twitter.com/paulrhh/statuses/1532379377

Waiting for permissions to get sorted on download folder for Labs Preview - it's all ready to go, you just can't get to it!

benswitzer

sweet!

fselendic

Isn't it already out?

http://dev.alfresco.com/downloads/nightly/preview/

mikeh

That's probably the right build, but it's not the "official" one with release notes, etc.

Mike

junderwood

OK, killin me here. Just downloaded the 3.2 preview worked great with the derby database , configured for Oracle like I have done successfully in the past and it threw a mess of errors and exceptions.

When is the 3.2 stable going to be ready?

benswitzer

junderwood, I think you're in for a shock.

Read this: http://newton.typepad.com/content/2009/03/building-a-stronger-open-source-product.html

I've been running Alfresco on MS SQL Server and expect that it won't work with Labs 3.2. I haven't tried yet, but I'm not hopeful. (Please someone correct me if I'm wrong)

Perhaps we'll need to come together as a community to provide this functionality. Shouldn't be too difficult.

junderwood

Thanks for that info, saved me a lot of headache time! Guess I should watch the blogs.

Wow, well bummer. Not sure I can get away with running a open source lite db.

Thanks again for the info.

benswitzer

Your welcome, I guess.

I'm in the same boat. Will have to evaluate how MySQL will work within our environment. Things like in-house expertise, back-up routines and software. Pain in the butt.

I'd like to say you get what you pay for, but Alfresco is an amazing product / project which I can use for free! So, you get a whole lot for free, but not everything.

I try and contribute back as I'm able to.

samuel_penn

I notice that according to this page: http://wiki.alfresco.com/wiki/Download_Labs

AlfrescoLabs 3.1 is out. However, the link actually takes you to a download page for 3.0. Has something not been updated correctly? I've tried some obvious URL modifications, but no luck in finding the actual download.

Thanks,
Sam.

fselendic

I notice that according to this page: http://wiki.alfresco.com/wiki/Download_Labs

AlfrescoLabs 3.1 is out. However, the link actually takes you to a download page for 3.0. Has something not been updated correctly? I've tried some obvious URL modifications, but no luck in finding the actual download.

Thanks,
Sam.

There is no Alfresco Labs 3.1 release.

http://forums.alfresco.com/en/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=18495#p60872

Somebody just adjusted naming of what was formerly called 3.0d. And 3.0Stable. And 3.0Final.

samuel_penn

This is stupid.

So 3.0Final is the Labs equivalent of 3.1 Enterprise? Does this mean there won't be any more Labs releases until next year when 4 comes out? Or will there be a 3.0Ultimate? Who put the muppets in charge of version labelling? What's so difficult about just incrementing the minor version?

It doesn't change the fact that the link to 3.1 Final still takes you to 3Stable, so I've got absolutely no idea what to download to get the fixes from 3.1 Enterprise.

Sam.